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What does a mathematician studying bacteria have to do with queerness, spirituality, and the more-than-human world? In this episode, Sara sits down with her old college friend Ben Allen, a mathematician whose work models how cooperation evolves — from iron-sharing bacteria to communal-nesting birds to human communities. The conversation moves from the mathematics of cooperation into Ben's current research on the evolution of same-sex sexual behavior, which has now been documented in more than 1,500 species.


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Finding ReEnchanting:

Finding ReEnchanting: how I reluctantly had a spiritual awakening in India while searching for better solutions to climate change… and learned the power of reEnchanting as critical for re-creating regenerative cultures